Sept. 19- Ch. 19

Kind of a pre-post comment. Concerning Jesus’ stance on divorce, I realized this morning that it was the disciples who had the attitude that it would be better to not marry. I had always thought that was the Pharisee’s come back…read and learn! hehe

The thing I did want to comment on this morning is the rich young ruler. First he asks Jesus how to inherit eternal life, then he asks Jesus which commandments he needed to keep. When Jesus tells him, he says something very interesting, ““All these I have kept,” … “What do I still lack?” The rich young ruler was more in tune with himself spiritually than most of us are. He knew there was something lacking in his life, even though he had kept the law and was a “good person.” The problem was his riches were still more important to him than finding what he was lacking. I wonder how many non-Christian understand they are lacking something, but find others things more important than finding what they lack.

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7 Responses to Sept. 19- Ch. 19

  1. Larry Martin says:

    Jesus comments to the disciples that the rich will have a hard time entering the kingdom of heaven because of the love of their riches. The disciples ask we have left everything to come follow you. What shall we have. Jesus answers “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” It is interesting that he says twelve thrones. He knew Judas was going to betray him. I however take it that one of those thrones was for Judas. Maybe there is a different way of reading this. Does each throne represent one of the tribes of Israel or does each throne represent one of the twelve disciples? If we follow Jesus do we sit on one of those thrones judging? Does a throne have more than one person sitting on it? These are all questions I have no answer to.

  2. Sharon Owen says:

    The thought I had on reading about the twelve thrones was that they did indeed replace Judas after he was gone and did so “officially” so it seems there were still twelve.

  3. Larry Martin says:

    Why do we have such a hard time with Judas? Jesus from his prayers knew that one of the twelve was going to betray him. He prayed and placed protection over the eleven so that the devil could not enter them. For the prophesy to be fulfilled he had to leave one unprotected, Judas. It says there is only one unpardonable sin, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 12:31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.” Yes we know that Judas betrayed Christ. Christ at the last supper shared the bread with him and had him drink from the cup. At the time of betrayal Jesus called him friend. The turmoil and pain Judas felt when he realized he had betrayed an innocent man was such that he hung himself. I feel he realized that he betrayed the one thing that mattered and his life was empty. He probably felt that God could not forgive him. If this were so than Matthew 12:31 should have also attached to it and those who betray the Son of Man. It does not. In betraying Christ it might be argued that Judas spoke against the Holy Spirit. I do not believe that.

  4. Sharon Owen says:

    Larry: You seem to imply that Judas could be forgiven and still get a throne. I can’t agree that he would get a throne if that is what you mean. I do agree that be was forgiven.

  5. Larry Martin says:

    Sharon, that is what I am saying is possible. I do not know if Judas gets a throne but to me it is not important. I like to think he could get a throne since if he could possibly I could. I think the key verse is Matthew 20:23 and it answers the question. Jesus is talking about his left and his right, but I read it as the thrones and places of honor is not Jesus to give but it is for those for whom they are prepared by God the Father. The Bible doesn’t say much about who JUdas was before. He heard the call come follow me and did. He walked with Jesus. He was one of the 12. Was he called by Jesus because he was a man of hard heart and Jesus the man knew he would betray him? I obviously do not know. Was he chosen by Jesus as the one to be unprotected from the devil. Yes. Some scholars say the Devil was allowed to enter Judas. Others say the devil entered Judas as among the disciples he was the weakest. I do not know. Judas and Jesus broke bread together, drank from the cup together, prayed together. He was part of the twelve that were sent out to minister. I have not done any of those things. I have betrayed my belief in Christ in a number of situations. I have hurt people, I have told lies about people, I have in the past even denied I believed in God. I was not a Christian but I have always believed in God. I got that from my grandmother. Even with all this I believe that God prepared a place for me in heaven. I do not know what the place is, I do not know what it looks like, or what it will be like. All I know is that it is there. It is there because of Grace, Jesus dying on the cross for all the sins I have committed and will commit in the future.

  6. Sharon Owen says:

    I have never seen an analysis of Judas before. You are bringing out things I hadn’t thought about. I was told once that scholars think Judas was a Zealot looking for a military “king” and so was very frustrated with Jesus and wanted to force his hand. I have only heard that once, so maybe Randy could comment?

  7. Randy says:

    Where to start…lol.
    Well first here is a biographical sketch of Judas, since you guys were wondering about that:
    Simon’s son, surnamed Iscariot; one of the 12 disciples of Jesus. The derivation of Iscariot is uncertain. In all probability it designated the place of his birth—the town of Kerioth. His childhood home was perhaps Kerioth of Moab, east of the Jordan (Jer 48:24; Am 2:2), or Kerioth-hezron of southern Judah, also known as Hazor (Jos 15:25). A less feasible suggestion identifies Iscariot with an Aramaic word meaning “assassin,” a word eventually attached to Judas’ name because of his betrayal of Jesus.
    Judas Iscariot’s name appears last in the lists of disciples (Mt 10:4; Mk 3:19; Lk 6:16), perhaps indicating his ignomy in the minds of later believers rather than his original importance among the 12. During Jesus’ public ministry he managed the treasury of the company (Jn 13:29), from which he was known to pilfer money (Jn 12:4). As betrayer, Judas contracted to turn Jesus over to the chief priests for 30 pieces of silver. He accomplished this act of treachery by singling out Jesus with a kiss in the Garden of Gethsemane (Mt 26:14–47; Mk 14:10–46; Lk 22:3–48; Jn 18:2–5).
    Various suggestions have been offered to explain Judas’ traitorous deed. (1) In keeping with his patriotic zeal, Judas turned Jesus over to the authorities after realizing that his Master did not intend to overthrow the Roman order and establish a Jewish state. (2) Judas believed Jesus to be the Messiah and planned his arrest in hopes of urging Jesus to usher in his kingdom. (3) He was a scoundrel who plotted wickedness since the start of Jesus’ public ministry. (4) Prompted by a satanic impulse, Judas betrayed Jesus; however, after recognizing that he was deceived, out of remorse he took his own life. (5) With a damaged pride and a humiliated ego from Jesus’ caustic rebukes, Judas, originally a loyal disciple, turned against him. (6) Judas, moved by his own greed, yielded to his selfish instincts, not realizing that Jesus would consequently be tried and killed; upon learning the outcome of his betrayal, he repented in dispair and committed suicide.
    Judas, despondent over his act of betrayal, went out and hung himself in a field bought with his 30 pieces of silver (Mt 27:3–10). Acts 1:18 gruesomely adds that his body “swelled up” (RSV margin) and burst, spilling forth his intestines; for this reason the field was called the “Field of Blood” (Acts 1:19). Matthias later took Judas Iscariot’s place among the 12 (Acts 1:12).
    As to whether or not Judas’ betrayal could and was forgiven, Jesus said in Matthew 26:24, “The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.” I take this to mean that what Judas did was unforgiveable…but I would not say that with totally certainty.
    As to Judas’ replacement. Sharon commented that the disciples acted officially in selecting Matthias. I would maintain that acting officially does not always mean acting in the will of God. I personally believe God’s selection for replacing Judas was Paul. But that can be argued either way.
    The 12 thrones are interesting. There is a parallel here with the thrones and the 12 foundations of the heavenly Jerusalem in Rev. 21:14. Who’s names will be written on the foundations and who will be sitting on the thrones? I think to be certain we will have had to make the journey to heaven! LOL

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